The Business of Not Giving Up
The most committed people in any room are often the ones closest to the edge. This episode is about what leaders can actually do about that. Before it’s too late.
With special guest Dr. Debra Borys, a clinical psychologist licensed in California with long-standing interest and concern for nature and the environment. She is co-founder and co-chair of the LA County Psychological Association Eco-Psychology Special Interest Group, an active member of the Climate Psychology Alliance of North America and a trained Climate Café leader. You can find Dr Borys here and you can get on her wait list here in order to gain access to the workshops she and Nikyta Palmisani created.
In this episode, the discussion is around the practical reality of doing meaningful work inside systems that weren’t built for it. From the warning signs most organisations miss entirely, to a two-hour intervention any leader could run with their team next week, to the honest answer to the hardest question in this space. What actually changes when you do this work and then walk back into the same system?
Three things you’ll take away:
- The organisational warning signs of moral injury that get mislabelled as performance problems and what to look for before good people quietly disappear
- Stress inoculation. What it is, how it works, and why two hours with your team naming their actual fears could prevent months of dysfunction down the road
- The most honest answer to the long game question: What changes when someone does this inner work and walks back into the same structure that contributed to the injury in the first place?
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